There is no moral equivalency here. Bigoted companies need to be choked to death with a dose of their shit. Magic shit from the sky if it makes them feel more godly.
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This was obviously political grandstanding by Menino, sure, but there are more than enough politicians throughout the country making the opposite point, that gay couples are less deserving than the rest of us of basic rights, so I have no problem with a liberal-minded mayor spouting off on his own beliefs. The nuts and bolts of “banning” a business because of ideology is obviously more problematic. As a gesture, however, it’s more than welcome.
So what’s the answer then? How about this: I respect all of the critics of this anti-Chick-fil-A movement, because as they say, it could be taken as a slippery-slope toward prohibiting a corporations’ “free speech,” but when we’re talking about fried chicken makers who believe in ancient magical curses regarding what people do with their penises and vaginas, in the year 2012, how about we just go right ahead and drown those fuckers in shame? Because I feel like that type of hatred is probably okay to “discriminate” against, no matter how good your chicken tastes.
All traces of this religious virus need to be stamped out of public discourse without mercy. If that makes me a hypocrite so be it. It's been allowed to replicate its nasty disease for way too long. The politically religious are a vile subspecies whose extinction I look forward to. We'll get there soon.
Believe whatever you want in private, worship whatever you want, but once you get involved in the politics of religion -- and make no mistake, progressives haven't drawn religion into this, they've inserted themselves into public policy quite well on their own for, oh, say, forever -- you should be constantly reminded of the ridiculousness of your position. It's not "culture," it's not "values", or "tradition" to think of homosexuals are lesser-than, it's medieval superstition that itself isn't even logical (the anti-gay passages of the Bible being the only ones stridently advocated against for example).
Doesn't that make you just like them, an obtuse, racist might ask, like the one I was just arguing with, that you're simply stating your case as fact without hearing out the other side?
WOH GOOD POINT DUDE I'VE NEVER HEARD THE OPPOSITE ARGUMENT BEFORE. YOU'VE OPENED MY EYES. That whole anti gay argument never really gets a fair consideration, you've got a point there.
We've had enough time to "reflect on" this issue of the basic humanity of homosexuals. There is no more research that needs to be done. To say that my shouting out against that position reflects a lack of thought is ridiculous. The jury is no longer out on this matter. It has been decided. People who are still clinging to their hocus pocus stories about what the father in the sky wants us to do with who we love are the illogical, unthinking ones, whether it's Christian, Jew or Muslim. Let them all die out. I look forward to it.
Arguing against the validity of my position, meaning, that homosexuals are worthy of the exact same standing legally and emotionally, as heterosexuals, and saying that there is any worthwhile argument against that, is on its face ridiculous and renders the person making the argument unworthy of my time or respect, never mind a thoughtful discussion. My argument need not be watertight, because the opposite is so wildly laughable on its face that I can withstand a slight reduction in rhetorical point scoring from the invisible judges and still have plenty of room to stick the landing.
The person I was just arguing with was reluctant to share his thoughts on Facebook, because no one likes to be the conservative guy on there, he said. Good, feel shamed, you should.
I wonder what it's like feeling like you can't fully express who you are and have to hide your feelings from people? That must be a tough way to go through life.
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Yeah, and their chicken isn't even that great, and their salads are overpriced. Pffft.
Never once had it. Don't even know if there's one in New England or New York where I would have. Never will now I suppose.
@bottlebot - how dare you besmirch the ability of homosexuals to make great chicken!
@luke - the world has been held back by religious zealots for thousands of years. lets give the lefty/liberal/scientists/non-believers a decade or so and see what they can do w/ it. or, as they say on the playground, "we got next".
That's all I'm saying. "Because we said so," was the rule of the land for the other side for quite a long time. I think it's our turn to drop some morla absolute elbows off the top rope for a while. If we're proven wrong in a thousand years, those guys can try again.
Thanks for keeping me up 2 date on what's trending bro, but aren't you supposed to do boycotts in these situations?
Well, yeah, but it's hard to boycott something that doesn't exist here yet.
is anonymous the bro from platform? i want to hear what that bloke has to say re: romney's wild olympic ride.
I wish there was way more distinction between people who are religious/spiritual/whatever you want to call it who are _not_ bigoted, and the people who use religion as an excuse to justify their bigotry. Not just on this blog, but in general.
There's a lot of us. We're constantly lumped in with "religion is evil" and "people with religion are assholes" types of commentary, which makes a lot of us not want to participate in any kind of open discussion.
Yeah, we get it, religion has somehow been involved with some bad shit that's gone down in history, but it's not religion itself that is responsible. Religion isn't causing the country to devour itself. The blame rests squarely on people who use(d) it as a manipulative tool, and the people who followed orders that came down from those assholes. Sure, a lot of the former are currently in power and the country is loaded with the latter, but morality and spirituality are mutually exclusive. I'm sure you know plenty of outspoken atheists who happen to be utter shitheads, too.
The "us vs. them" rhetoric is still bigotry. I mean, you've acknowledged your own potential hypocrisy, as well should I after trying to separate "us," the spiritual and accepting, from "them," the bigoted self-righteous. But, the point is there are more than two sides to this battle, and ours happens to believe there is more that follows this life, and who you love doesn't have much to do with it.
Oh, and yeah, the gesture by Menino is indeed awesome, and I'm not coming to the defense of the guy you argued with.
I understand what you mean, which is why I said politically religious (i think).
I don't care if people want to believe things to make themselves feel less alone, or to have community, or to pass down traditions etc (as long as they're not of the hateful conservative variety).
I know there's a difference. My parents in law go to church. They don't hate anyone. Couldn't care less about gay people wanting to get married. Good for them, that's great.
I have no problem having an us vs them dichotomy between reasonable people living in the modern world and Medieval holdovers however.
You definitely did. I saw it and appreciated it, which is why I had to point out that I wasn't going on about your blog specifically. In the many contextual layers of the conversation, especially "slippery slopes," it's an idea that bears repeating. I think we can both agree that not all contributors, or commenters for that matter, are as enlightened, shall we say.
I agree that once you start damning people to hell, enabling the mistreatment of a people via various levels of passivity and aggression (in or out of leadership), and so on, such as the "Medieval holdovers," you pretty much forfeit your own personal equality. I have a suspicion there might be a Bible passage about that kind of thing _somewhere_, but let's not get carried away.
cool, thanks for sharing. i hope yr right!
True dat, Bottlebot. Their sandwiches suck. They should hire some gays to flavor that tasteless chicken the fuck up. Aside from sodomy and fashion, gays are real good in the kitchen. I never turn down a meal from the gay dudes next door. They have crazy exotic cookware and know how to use it all. Serious gourmets.
Oh, and "such as the 'Medieval holders'" was meant like, you know, "how those assholes do," and not "calling out those assholes is bad." I think you got that, but I just re-read it and can see how it could be easily read wrong.
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